The more common of the two, the StuG III, was built on the chassis of the proven Panzer III. by Roger Griffiths » Sat Sep 25, 2004 7:02 am, Post It was introduced in Update 1.49 "Weapons of Victory". against easy 8s i tend to destroy them in two to three hits in the stug, with 3-4 for the panzer IV with apcr. In 1942 the StuK40 L43 or 48 became available. 5. At least it did according the charts I've seen. G. On December 16–17, 1943, Hitler was shown the StuG IV, and approved it. Then the whole thing goes pear shaped. Adolf in late 1943 requests that Stug IV's should be issued to panzer units 'if possible', and they were. .....started in the early fall of 1944. After seeing how bad the Stuh performs at 3.3 i started to think hard to find any reason for having Stug 3G at BR 4.3 - both have the same chasis/armor, and both are easy to destroy on all but medium-long range (lots of weakspots) - Germany has no low tier front line heavy tank, just a bunch of glass mediums, the Stug 3G was the only German low tier tank i had … The superstructure of the StuG III Ausf. Nominal: 3.9 s 50% Crew: 4.83 s 75% Crew: 4.22 s 100% Crew: 3.74 s Rammer: 3.37 s ... Low HP for a tier 4 TD Performance. So the Panzer IV G, H or J. vs. the StuG III F, G or H. They're both medium tanks (9+), both sporting a heavy AT cannon and an MMG, both can get the Schürzen for extra protection against … However, the lack of a traverse movement in the gun meant the entire vehicle had to be turned left or right to acquire targets, which proved to be a significant weakness at times. IV H and J. Using a powerful modified 75mm assault gun, it is known as a very effective tank killer. It was produced, in several modifications, on the basis of the Pz. It was developed by a … Up-armored StuG III Ausf.G from an unidentified unit at the third battle of Kharkov, February 1943. G) is a rank II German tank destroyer with a battle rating of 3.0 (AB/RB/SB). Its maximum speed was 25 mph, and the power reserve was about 96 miles. Concentrated bombing of Synthetic Fuel factories... An Agitator is pretty much the same as a troublemaker. They were also issued to some army PGD's and not a few ID's. Daimler-Benz AG was given the order to develop and produce such a weapon on June 15, 1936. The Sturmgeschütz III G (known as StuG G in Flames of War) was a German self-propelled gun of WW2, often used as a tank destroyer. 6. And having 2 tanks is much better than 1. 167), was a German assault gun variant of the Panzer IV used in the latter part of the Second World War. In a December 1943 conference, Hitler welcomed the suggestion of taking the StuG III superstructure and mounting it on a Panzer IV chassis to offset the loss of production of the StuG III. I haven't played the game yet, but I've played around with list building quite a bit, so take what I say as you want. DB was to provide the hull and chassis and Krupp the detailed equipment, including the main gun, the 7.5 cm Geschütz L/24 für Sturmartillerie (Selbstf… by kramer » Fri Oct 01, 2004 1:17 pm, Post by Patrick » Tue Sep 21, 2004 6:38 pm, Post To make up for the large deficit in StuG III production, StuG IV production received full support. This became terribly obvious when the 6th Panzer Division with about 150 long-barrel 50MM Panzer III's (and a small number of effective long barrel 75MM Pz IV's) led the relief effort to break the Stalingrad ring, with the help of the seriously understrength 11th panzer division, made up of smaller numbers of primarily of Panzer III's. IV H and J. The Stug IV or StuG IV is an Axis heavy vehicle unit that is featured in Company of Heroes. The Sturmgeschütz IV (StuG IV) (Sd.Kfz. did start going into PD's and PGD's and the practice spread as time went on. And on top of that, you can build 2 StuG for 1 Panther at almost the same cost. He doesnt fit its role: feels like a medium tank: - high mibilty - moderate AI (3 MGs) … Kramer, as far as the silhouette, you are right, it was very low with the Stug III, Stug IV (Guderian's Duck) and the Hertzer. Wot stug iii vs stug iv. Hosted by Art. StuG (Sturm Geschutz III) was a infantry support gun while Jagdpanzer IV was meant for tank killing (or tank hunting ) then there is no such waste of time in producing both ATST. AP projectile 85mm AA gun-from 1500m. This tended to pull the vehicle towards an AT role. It was operated by 4 men crew. The Stug IV is effective both against infantry and enemy tanks. The Wikipedia article says they didn't work well as StuG substitutes but doesn't say why. Was'nt it Guderian who requested more StuGs production over tanks? Not much. 1 Overview 2 Weapons 2.1 75mm StuK 40 L/48 2.2 7.92 mm Maschinengewehr 42 3 Veterancy 4 Tactics 5 Weaknesses 6 Variants 7 Quotes 8 Gallery The Stug IV, an abbreviation of Sturmgeschütz IV, is an assault gun, a type of self-propelled artillery. 3,614 8. I don't know if the plants making StuG bodies could have easily been converted to JgPz IV body production or if JgPz IV production could have completely replaced StuG production. The main German anti-tank gun, the 37 mm Pak 36, also proved unable to penetrate the armor of these Soviet designs. A machine gun and shield were added to later versions. On December 17, 1942, the primary battle group in the relief effort lost 90 of their 120 available panzers (although some were repaired and fought again). There was a big conference and the Artillery Arm saw him off. Stug shoots almost double as fast, has the same range and its penetration is enough to penetrate almost every tank in front armor (except IS2 and ISU). Post by Redbaron1908 » 23 Jul 2003, 18:05 F chassis with its most notable difference being the addition of an L/28 howitzer for its main gun. Luftwaffe fuel supplies really began to drop rapidly after that. The StuG was also used in Finland post-war where one unit even mixed StuGs and British turreted 'Charioteer' tank destroyers. 1 Overview 2 In Flames of War 2.1 Unit organization 2.2 Model kits 3 Model assembly 4 Painting 5 Combat efficiency 6 Image gallery The StuG III G assault gun was by far the most widely produced and used in the StuG series. I'm confused. G is a German tier 5 tank destroyer. StuG III Ausf.G from the Abt. against gen. lee tanks and standard sherman its about same. Following the defeat of the German Empire in World War I, military commanders from the Reichswehr began to consider how mobile armored artillery units could provide support to advancing infantry units. These new vehicles, designated StuH 42 (Sturmhaubitze 42, Sd.Kfz 142/2), were designed to provide infantry support with the increased number of StuG III Ausf. This gives it a higher specific power (hp/tonne), allowing it to accelerate faster. October 1941 near Kalinin. This special assault gun is doctrine-specific and can only be called into the field using a special ability, not produced. After the specifications arrived at the OKH, an order was passed to Daimler-Benz AG and Krupp for delivering a prototype by June 15, 1936. Based on these experiences, the report made by the 11th Panzer division on January 22, 1943 regarding the Panzer III was: ↳   Operational Map Project & Archival Research, ↳   Unit Histories, Feldpost Numbers & Orders of Battle, ↳   Commanders, Personalities & Award Holders, ↳   Foreign Volunteers, Collaboration and Axis Allies, ↳   General WWII German Military Discussion. by Alkie » Mon Oct 04, 2004 11:38 am, Post German weapons, vehicles and equipment 1919-1945. In November 1943, British aircraft bombed Alkett, a large manufacturer of StuG IIIs. Initially, they were intended as armored self-propelled guns providing close fire support to the infantry to destroy bunkers, pillboxes and other entrenched positions. The StuGs proved effective in a defensive role, but were a poor substitute for conventional tanks offensively. I had thought the primary reason for the StuG was its simpler to build[no turret] and had a lower profile[smaller target to hit]. The crew consisted of 4 people. 1500 of this model was produced, and it was called the Stug III/IV. quote;The reason for this was numbers. In 1942, a variant of the StuG Ausf. The Imperial War Museum's Duxford site also has an ex-Finland StuG but its markings are more ambiguous. Stug IV (Sd.Kfz.167) was armed with 75mm StuK 40 L/48 gun mounted in cast "saukopf" mantlet. It was not intended to be used to exploit breakthroughs and drive into the enemy rear areas, as the Panzertruppen units were intended to do. Only about 1,300 StuH 42s were produced and were based on the StuG III F/8 and G models. Stugs started off as artillery vehicles with short 75's. The StuG III was initially designated "StuG" but with the creation of the StuG IV (based on the Panzer IV chassis) it was re-designated the "StuG III" to distinguish the two. A number of captured StuGs were refurbished in the Soviet Union and given to Syria, along with some Panzer IVs, where they were used briefly against Israel. Using the tanks high speed and maneuverability, you should generally stay away from enemies and damage them from afar with your weak armor and good … by Roger Griffiths » Fri Oct 01, 2004 2:54 pm, Post The first production units, the Sturmgeschütz III Ausf A, arrived in 1940 mounted with the short barreled 75 mm StuK 37L/24 gun and increased frontal hull armor (from 30 mm to 50 mm). There is some controversy about Guderian and how truthful his memoirs are. Jagdpanzer Grenadier Division “Totenkopf”, Kursk, summer 1943. It was still an effective weapon in 1945 but would have been obsolete within 2 years after that. Sturmgeschütz (abbreviated into StuG) meaning "assault gun" was a series of armored vehicles used by both the German Wehrmacht and the Waffen-SS armored formations during the Second World War that primarily consisted of the StuG III and StuG IV. Majority was issued in companies to infantry divisions with few exceptions. They were very similar in that they were low to the ground and had armoured casement instead of a turret. This vehicle first saw combat in France in 1940. Sturmgeschütz (abbreviated into StuG) meaning "assault gun" was a series of armored vehicles used by both the German Wehrmacht and the Waffen-SS armored formations during the Second World War that primarily consisted of the StuG III and StuG IV.The more common of the two, the StuG III, was built on the chassis of the proven Panzer III.The StuG III was initially designated "StuG… As a result, production was significantly reduced. The StuG III was initially designated "StuG" but with the creation of the StuG IV (based on the Panzer IVchassis) it was re-designated t… Thus the panzer regiments continued to be equipped with Panzer IV and Panther medium tanks for offensive operations. Panzer(Stug)Abteilungen of 4 and 17 SSPGD's, 5SSPD later (2 coys. The quote below is from achtungpanzer.com. 1 Overview 2 Weapons 2.1 75mm StuK 40 L/48 2.2 7.92 mm Maschinengewehr 42 3 Veterancy 4 Tactics 5 Weaknesses 6 Variants 7 Quotes 8 Gallery The Stug IV, an abbreviation of Sturmgeschütz IV, is an assault gun, a type of self-propelled artillery. I built the Academy kit of the Stug IV recently, and I'm curious. The new vehicle proved to be an effective tank destroyer. sfn error: no target: CITEREFSkaarup2011 (, Learn how and when to remove this template message, "Sturmgeschütz: StuG III, StuH and StuG IV", Sturmgeschutz III/IV at Achtung Panzer website, Photos of the Sturmgeschütz III at the Canada War Museum in Ottawa Ontario, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sturmgeschütz&oldid=1007394817, World War II self-propelled artillery of Germany, Articles needing additional references from February 2016, All articles needing additional references, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License, This page was last edited on 17 February 2021, at 22:33. And having 2 tanks is much better than 1. This created the lowest possible profile in order to reduce the vehicle's height, making the StuG more difficult to hit and easier to protect in hull defilade. German StuG in Finland. The StuG was an artillery vehicle for infantry support while JgPz were meant for AT units. It was found, however, that the turretless StuGs had enough room in the crew compartment to handle the 75 mm Pak 40, and this modification was made. F/8 and Ausf. Message forum of the Feldgrau.com research community, Post German StuG in Finland. The first vehicles were produced by December 1943. Dave AAA. The M10 was built on the M4 chassis, and carried a 3-inch gun similar to the M4's 76mm. A 12-cylinder Maybach HL 120 TRM engine generating 300 hp drove the StuG III. A 12-cylinder Maybach HL 120 TRM engine generating 300 hp drove the StuG III. Having canceled the production of the Pz. against gen. lee tanks and standard sherman its … The omission of a regular tank turret made for simpler and more cost-effective production, enabling greater numbers to be built. Stug shoots almost double as fast, has the same range and its penetration is enough to penetrate almost every tank in front armor (except IS2 and ISU). Colonel Erich von Manstein recommended the concept of infantry Begleitbatterien (escort batteries) to General Beck, chief of the general staff in 1935. A captured Syrian Panzer IV and StuG III are on display at the Armor Museum in Israel. For further reading you might look into Steven Zaloga's books particularly M10 Tank Destroyer vs StuG III Assault Gun. The crew consisted of 4 people. However, Stugs. Also remember that the sight is automatically set to 400 yards or so, so you might want to adjust it. Combat weight was 23 tonnes, lighter than the 23.9 tonnes for the StuG III Ausf. against easy 8s i tend to destroy them in two to three hits in the stug, with 3-4 for the panzer IV with apcr. The StuG was used primarily within the Sturmartillerie, a branch of the artillery in the Wehrmacht. Gs being used in the anti-tank role. In November 1943, British aircraft bombed Alkett, a large manufacturer of StuG IIIs. Meanwhile, heavier armed tank destroyers were developed, such as the Jagdpanzer IV and the Jagdpanther, which combined the low silhouette of the StuG with the heavier armament of the Panther and Tiger II tanks, respectively. by Roger Griffiths » Sat Sep 25, 2004 6:29 am, Post Following the invasion of the Soviet Union in 1941, a significant problem developed when it was discovered that the main armament on the Panzer II and III tanks were inadequate to deal with the newer Soviet T-34 and KV-1 tanks. I used to own one, and from my experience it's better than the Panzer 3, but not in the same league as the Panther. AP (solid) projectile … The total weight of the StuH was aroun… Yes, the Stug IV was built as a result of the bombing of the Alkett factory. [3] The main armament, which had a limited lateral traverse, was mounted directly in a casemate-style hull. Aside from the chassis upon which either vehicle was based, is there any major substantive difference between the Stug III and Stug IV assault guns? They could not carry a 75mm L48 gun (turret ring too small) as tanks but could as assualt guns, along with heavier (and sloped) frontal armor. In 1942 and 1943 the StuG was one of the most effective tracked fighting vehicles fielded by the belligerents, in terms of enemy vehicles destroyed. Some StuG IIIs were modified with a co-axial machine gun as well. I never build Panther. In November 1943, Alkett, GmbH, a major StuG III manufacturer, was bombed as part of the RAF campaign against Berlin, and Alkett's StuG production declined from 255 StuG IIIs in October 1943, to just 24 vehicles in December. It is a The Krupp plant, which did not produce Panzer IIIs, used the Panzer IV chassis with a modified StuG III superstructure, with a box compartment for the driver added. It was operated by 4 men crew. It was based upon the StuG IIIAusf. 3,614 8. borys68. The Stug IV or StuG IV is an Axis heavy vehicle unit that is featured in Company of Heroes. [5] They were used in this fashion as German losses of all types of armored vehicles now exceeded production. I can't think of any Stug Abteilungen that had them. Some source apply designation Sd.Kfz.163 to Stug IV. The point I was making about the chassis of the Stug III and Hertzer (translation: "Troublemaker") is that the tank turrents that previously resided on these chassis could not support a capable anti-tank gun, or thick sloped armor. Initially a secondary capability, employment as an anti-tank weapon became more important as the war progressed. In February 1943, at the suggestion of the Ministry of Armament, the Krupp company began trials of a new vehicle with the superstructure of the updated StuG III and the new suspension of the Pz.Kpfw. The purpose of this addition was so that the Wehrmacht would have an effective combat support unit that would work well against infantry. The high velocity guns were not that important in the initial role. The StuG was more successful in defensive roles, such as ambush, rather than as an offensive vehicle. From December of 1943 to March of 1945, 1139 such "hybrids" were produced by Krupp-Gruson at Magdeburg (chassis number 89324 to 89382 and 100001 to unknown). It was at that time that Stug IV was either put into production or production was accelerated as a stopgap measure to supply assault guns to the various fronts. First, assault guns came into their own for a number of reasons. Unlike other, heavier Wehrmacht armored vehicles, the StuG III was built in large numbers, over 10,000 though the best information I have says only 1,600 were deployed on the Western Front. 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